Hi, it’s Patrik Hutzel from INTENSIVECAREHOTLINE.COM where we instantly improve the lives for Families of critically ill Patients in Intensive Care, so that you can make informed decisions, have PEACE OF MIND, real power, real control and so that you can influence decision making fast, even if you’re not a doctor or a nurse in Intensive Care!
This is another episode of “YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED” and in last week’s episode I answered another question from our readers and the question was
Are Family Meetings Generally Helpful for Our Mom’s Care in ICU?
You can check out last week’s question by clicking on the link here.
In this week’s episode of “YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED” I want to answer questions from one of my clients, Emma, as part of my 1:1 consulting and advocacy service! Emma’s mom is in ICU and she is asking if her mom’s quality of life will improve after leaving the ICU.
Can Mom’s Quality of Life Improve After Leaving the ICU?
“You can also check out previous 1:1 consulting and advocacy sessions with me and Emma here.”
Julius: Yeah.
Emma: She had a guy tell her, “Hey, it’s roach motel here, patients check in. They don’t check out.” I mean, that’s basically … I don’t know if you’re familiar with that commercial, but-
Ron: Yes.
Julius: Oh, my God.
Patrik: No.
Julius: I was by myself at the time then. I didn’t feel very good.
Patrik: No. And God forbid, even if you’re not getting the outcome that you would like, it’s still important for you to have perspective, because otherwise you would just get sucked into this narrative without having perspective.
Julius: Yeah. I mean-
Emma: Yeah. We just want to know that we are doing everything that we can do and that we tried everything. And-
Patrik: Absolutely.
Emma: You understand.
Patrik: Absolutely. And again, God forbid, if you’re not getting the outcome that you would like, it’s not necessarily COVID.
Emma: Right.
Julius: Right.
Emma: Right.
Patrik: Could be, who knows?
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Julius: I’ll tell you I’ve got a lot of referrals for people that are just ICU things, that happened outside of this whole COVID, that they never knew there were … You must be very unique to this.
Emma: Yeah, I think you’re pretty unique because I looked around quite a bit and I didn’t really find anything else like what you have here.
Patrik: Yeah. And I don’t understand it. I’m not going against what’s happening in ICU generally speaking. Not at all. There are a lot of good things happening in ICU, but I also know I’ve seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. There are a lot of good things happening in the ICU. Most patients in ICU recover and they go out alive. But-
Julius: Right.
Patrik: … I’m dealing with that 10%, where it’s not going well. I’m not dealing with families where things are going well.
Julius: No. No, because they-
Emma: They don’t give you that perspective either.
Julius: No.
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Emma: They give you the perspective where 90% aren’t going to come out of the ICU. I mean-
Julius: I mean, it was dire straits. “Yeah. Your mom looks like she’s doing well on that, just high venting. But don’t think it’s … But she’s 80 and basically, no one’s going to.”
Patrik: That’s right.
Julius: Basically, “No one’s going to …” “She looks good right now.” “Oh, but she won’t in a little bit. And basically, we don’t really see a lot of leave.” And I’m like, “No.”
Emma: Yeah.
Patrik: Sure.
Julius: It was heart-wrenching for me.
Patrik: For sure. If you look at the research, roughly 90% of ICU patients survive. Now, that’s not talking about what their quality of life looks like down the line.
Julius: Yeah.
Emma: Right.
Patrik: Right?
Julius: That’s my worry.
Patrik: Right? But roughly 90% of ICU patients survive. Now, having said that, the mortality for COVID in ICU is much higher.
Julius: Yep.
Emma: Yeah.
Julius: Yep.
Patrik: So if you look at COVID isolated cases, the mortality, I believe it’s 40% to 60%. So there’s no question that COVID in ICU is serious business.
Emma: Don’t you think it could also be a little bit also from their kind of locked protocols?
Patrik: Oh, 100%. There’s little room for experimentation.
Julius: Right.
Emma: Why?
Julius: That’s getting me so mad.
Emma: That’s what I was trying to do, is like-
Julius: I start saying, “Clinical trials.”
Emma: … “Have you tried something else?”
Patrik: Very much so.
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Julius: If you’re telling me she’s going to die, what do we have to lose?
Emma: Right. What do you have the-
Patrik: Exactly.
Emma: … right to try law?
Patrik: Exactly. No, definitely. Definitely. The room for experimentation with COVID has not been opened, I believe.
Julius: No.
Emma: No.
Patrik: And, again, I believe there’s just simply not enough data.
Julius: Right.
Patrik: There can’t be after two and a half years. It’s still brand new.
Julius: It is.
Emma: Yep.
Julius: Well, then I’ll get to work. I definitely-
Emma: Yeah. Thank you for your advice, your-
Patrik: Yeah. It’s a great pleasure. It’s a great pleasure.
Emma: Yeah, me too. It’s a pleasure meeting you.
Julius: Three of us. My dad, and three of us.
Emma: I don’t know what to say.
Julius: This is a huge thing. So-
Emma: Where are you at, by the way? You in-
Patrik: I’m in Melbourne.
Emma: Hey?
Patrik: In Melbourne, Australia.
Emma: Melbourne, Australia. Oh, okay. I wasn’t sure if you were-
Patrik: Talking to people every day.
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Emma: Every day.
Julius: Yeah.
Ron: You-
Emma: I know you guys had a lot of things going on there.
Ron: You wouldn’t want to come to the main city would you?
Emma: Probably would, actually.
Patrik: Look, we do need to open up something in the District. It’s just not there yet, but we definitely need some sort of presence in the District. I don’t know how much research you’ve done. Here in Melbourne, we’re running an organization called Intensive Care at Home. We’re basically looking after-
Julius: Yeah, I saw that.
Patrik: Right, right.
Emma: Oh, yeah.
Patrik: We have so many inquiries from different locations so we definitely need some form of presence those locations eventually. But it’s just not there yet. We’re so busy here. Eventually, yes. But I can tell you, I can assure you the narrative here has probably been worse than in the other countries but it’s crumbling. It’s crumbling by the day.
Emma: Right.
Julius: Really think worse than us here?
Emma: Oh, yes.
Patrik: Oh, worse. Worse.
Emma: Yes. Yes. You guys have been on the news. Yeah. She’s in the South.
Julius: Yeah.
Patrik: Worse.
Julius: Yeah.
Patrik: But-
Julius: I thought people are smarter.
Patrik: Look, look, it’s crumbling. It’s crumbling. And I hope that people start thinking for themselves again. Because on the day COVID hit, people stopped thinking for themselves. Got sucked into the hype.
Julius: Yeah.
Emma: Yeah. That’s exactly what happened.
Julius: And I just never did and that’s the problem. Other than maybe the first couple of weeks.
Emma: Other than a few people. A few people.
Julius: A couple of months of it, maybe.
Emma: And boy, did we get pushback from other people, if you didn’t get sucked into the narrative.
Patrik: It’s changing.
Emma:I got a lot of, “You’re trying to kill people.”
Patrik: Yeah.
Emma: You know?
Patrik: Sure. But before they kill people, they killed businesses and killed the kids not going to school.
Emma: Right. Yes.
Julius: Yes.
Emma: Right.
Julius: Yes. There’s no business left.
Emma: Yes.
Julius: I know. That’s why I’m like, “How stupid are they?”
Patrik: Oh, look, it’s just-
Emma: We have a hard time finding a restaurant to go out to eat in anymore because of that.
Patrik: That’s right. Stop eating because of COVID.
Emma: Yeah.
Julius: Yeah.
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Ron: Look, it might be in the food.
Patrik: It’s just-
Julius: It was-
Patrik: … madness. Madness.
Julius: Yeah.
Ron: God bless you for your time.
Julius: Yeah. Thank you.
Patrik: It’s a pleasure.
Emma: Yeah.
Patrik: It’s a pleasure. I’ll look forward to hearing from you.
Julius: Oh, I will. What’s my next step with you then? I should find-
Patrik: Just get me some information and then I’ll advise what we’ll do next. Just get-
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Julius: Okay, then. Sounds good.
Emma: Thank you so much.
Patrik: It’s a pleasure.
Emma: Thank you so much.
Patrik: It’s a pleasure.
Julius: Thank you.
Patrik: Take care. Take care.
Julius: Okay. Thanks.
Emma: Thank you. Thank you.
Patrik: Thank you. Bye-Bye.
Emma: Bye-bye.
Patrik: Bye.
The 1:1 consulting session will continue in next week’s episode.
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