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In this week’s Podcast interview I want to feature a very special guest Penny from the UK!
My husband died on a hospital ward after a stay in Intensive Care! He should have been readmitted back to Intensive Care and the Hospital let him die without trying to save his life! (PART 1)
Penny has lost her 67 year old husband Terry last year after a stay in Intensive Care when he died on a Hospital ward when he should have been readmitted back to Intensive Care.
Penny’s husband Terry died in front of her very eyes without the hospital trying to save his life and without trying to resuscitate him!
Listen to Penny’s breathtaking story!
We split the interview into a two part series and you can listen to Part 1 today where Penny talks about her husband’s medical history and what got him into hospital/ Intensive Care in the first place and in the next part of the interview next week, you can hear all about the events leading up to Terry’s death.
Listen to the interview here
Patrik: Hello and welcome to the www.Intensivecarehotline.com podcast. www.Intensivecarehotline.com helps families of critically ill patients in intensive care to instantly improve their lives by making informed decisions get peace of mind, control, power, and influence. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Intensivecarehotline.com podcast. Today, I’ve got a very special guest. I’ve got Penny with me. Penny’s from the UK. Hi Penny, how are you?
Penny: Hi Patrik. I’m fine. I’m looking out the window at the Morgan’s Bay and it’s a beautiful blue sky and the TV just called past 10 in the morning.
Patrik: That’s excellent, what’s the weather like in the-
Penny: It’s beautiful today but it’s been an awful lot of a rain. [laughs].
Penny: I say to people it wasn’t rain. Rain is liquid sunshine, there would be no lakes. The lakes are just so famous, Swallows and Amazons and it really is the most lovely area to be in. So, gentle.
Patrik: Yes, I have been to the Lake District in England. It’s Beautiful. It’s spectacular.
Penny: I want to go to Australia as well. [laughs]. It’s on the list.
Patrik: Yes. There’s not even a 50% of the rain that you except you’re getting in the Lake District, but that would be for a whole another conversation. I want to really thank you, Penny, for coming on to this interview. You have a very interesting story to share. You lost your husband last year in intensive care after a long illness. I don’t want to give too much away for our listeners. I want you to tell your story because I think it’s quite a remarkable story. It’s a story where our listeners can learn a lot. They can learn a lot from what you’ve been through and how you’ve dealt with or what you’ve come across in terms of the many operations, your research and all. I’ll let you do the talking Penny. I’ll get out of your way.
Penny: Okay, let’s put in touch it when if you think I haven’t explained anything or you want a little bit more detail– Terry, my husband of over 31 years has been my greatest teacher so long, and my daughter’s– Relatives arrived in 1993 due to– Actually, this is another story. I’ve been a school teacher for 27 years– I was before I had to retire early because Terry was so ill. I’ve always been interested at basically looking at the big picture. What can we do about it? How can we become self-empowered? That has been the biggest awakening for me and also, I’m sure for a lot of other poor souls, who would be gone through the mill. I feel there have been many people alive today. This lifetime has been– It’s not been easy. From the dark the difficult times as I said to you before, Patrik, has been some of my greatest learning and then, I love sharing things. It’s so good to be able to– Sort of tell those stories especially if I can because it involves, it was on a continuum.
In 1990, my husband had his first knee operation and he hallucinated on painkillers and that surprised all the– It didn’t even get in the medical records because I’m a bit of a– I like to find things out and them. I like to know what’s happening and I couldn’t believe it. To me, it was important that he didn’t get in the records. One of the reasons for it is, his immune system was very repressed. We didn’t know about literally, until 2013. 1990 to– A long of the time because of some toxic dentistry that he had. Probably 20 years before, that it would impact his immune system. I spoke to you about it because it’s something the Vets purport to deal with animals that are brought in that are very ill. They would never diagnose without checking the animals’ teeth. This is true. I don’t know how it works and plays out in other countries but it’s definitely in the UK. Doctors are not taught that there’s any link with the teeth. Apart from recently, I’m not sure if it’s happened where you are Patrik, but there’s been in the news, how some heart problems are linked to infected teeth and-
Patrik: Absolutely. That’s nothing new in intensive care, there are lots– When I say lots, there’s a number of people coming into intensive care with myocarditis for example, which is an infection of the heart and that’s caused by for example, by a dental infection. I’ve seen that.
Penny: How about that. What the Western doctors aren’t taught is, every tooth is linked to an energy pathway in the body, we have bundles of energy and not the whole of the allopathic medical system, as you know but they look down a long tunnel and they don’t see that there’s anything else apart from the physical body, but there is. These energy meridians are charts. If you go to a holistic dentist and we’ve got a fair few in the UK now. An excellent one in Huddersfield called Dr. John Robertson who removed, who placed him on mercury. [laughs]. Mercury, how we’ve been poisoned since 1834. That’s affected children as it goes down the generations. The more you learn, the more there is to learn. Also, we found out that Terry had actually five Jordanian infections from teeth that had either been extracted badly with two or one root filled tooth. Now, everybody needs to order this lovely book from the Western prize foundation in America. It can cost a bit, it’s called Root Canal Cover-Up by Dr. George Meinig, M-E-I N-I-G. For 25 years, Weston Five conducted a sole investigation with a team of 60 scientists into the way root filled teeth can actually cause chronic illness and disease. Chronic! Worse than arthritis. Now, that I’ve seen the actual 11,000 page bound volume of this.
My dentist in Butterflied, John Roberts has one but not many around. I saw it. It was given to the FDA to 1925– Sorry, that’s a month late. I’m not very good at math. It’s all been covered up since 1925. The whole lot. That is in the biggest hole in Madison’s Jawbone denoting the infection wasn’t the original tooth. I saw the operation to clean them out, I was there, I saw the photographs. As I said before the NHS meeting after Terry had passed away last year, I deal in facts, not hearsay, not supposition, not presumptions but just backed up, solid, well research facts and observations. Which I have done. Obviously, I kept my feelings as well. I’ve had a really strong feeling, all has not been well with the allopathic medical industry. A lot of is very good, we know that.
Penny: Magic. I’m 72 now and I feel about 14, needless to say. and I broke some my radius. I was moving too fast and knocked into something and when I went on to an exciting song and had a little Celine on, talking to people and probably guests can’t relate or rattle on. I was chatting to the doctor there and put them– Cut me off basically. He looked at me and he said, “I don’t suppose you take painkillers, would you?” I said “No.” I said, “The pain lets me know what I have to do with my arm as a rotating bone. The pain isn’t– Is there for a reason.” Anyway, I had these– Obviously, driving my husband down to all the operations that have gone wrong, or the misdiagnosing or refusing to see things in front of the faces of the medics and I’m thinking, what is going on? I’ve seen a lot of it to do with the training and obviously, there’s a lot of questions I haven’t had time to even look at. I’ve been concentrating as you probably can understand, on basically, what’s happened to Terry and other people but mainly Terry because he was such a gentle, very, very, lovely man. He was a lace maker as a hobby, that’s what he loved doing. He loved nature, animals, children, not that he didn’t love his body. Apart from that, he did love himself. That we’ll save for another interview, Patrik because it’s such a big subject. It was so close. He trusted his Doctors. That’s what I’m saying.He looked outside himself all the while- instead of trusting himself on his own research, if you like. You could use the internet. He’s got his own laptop. I’ve got a big PC. [laughs]. What happened basically to cause the big deterioration? He was driving, he was useful, he couldn’t work, not a job because they were causing him to breakdown when he’s drugged up. He then stopped taking his drugs and recovered. I was putting all these on the back burner.
Patrik: When you say, he was drugged up. What do you mean by that?
Penny: Oh, huge amounts of psychiatric drugs but that was since 1998. I didn’t learn much till 2001 when I first got my computer and I had my mercury taken out my teeth and I could detox. I inherited a lot from my grandparents, my grandmother, my mother, and I have my own amalgam fillings. It’s like a massive and I like– I detoxed after having the safe material put in these teeth of mine.
Penny: I tended to wake up, as well as all my symptoms that I had. Such as allergies and so on, they disappeared. In fact, symptoms I had that were no connection with mercury-
Penny: -Poisoning disappeared. I was able to really take– Well, to see what was happening to him I could see these things. He believed his doctor and I– At the end of the day, Patrik and you agree and I’m sure the listeners as well. Within the vessel in the world, no matter how much you sing, how much you love somebody, you can’t control them-
Patrik: No. Of course not.
Penny: -They have to make their own decision. They are here, very often on their own pathway and that was very difficult for me to step back. In fact, I didn’t until he went to the care home. It was a head injury that he had in 2010. He had a reasonable life up to then and he was still– After the knee operations that didn’t go well and then long scar tissue with the gallstones and which again was linked to the route– To the toxic dentistry on that Meridian Line which he didn’t know about, till 2013. The learning went on and on but then the head injury which he was knocked unconscious for two hours in the home, unwitnessed, he was on the phone to his stepmother. I was out for the evening, unusual for me to be out that late cos I’m an early morning person, I was late that evening. He was on the phone to his stepmother and he heard a noise in the house and there were no animals at the time. Just as he was getting up, to say– Still on the phone to his stepmother, who was aged 90 at that time-
Penny: -I better go. He doesn’t remember anything more until two hours later the phone was back on the hook, and he was in a pile of blood downstairs, facing the floor. Well, the shock of that was, that he was untouched at the hospital but sent home and they had a consultant that basically said, “I think you had a seizure and fell down the stairs.” I mean where are they coming from?
Penny: Because of the records which can’t be altered, we can put letters in, we can’t replace and investigate when we actually made– Because of those records-
Patrik: What was that head injury? What was it like? What was the diagnosis?
Penny: -Yes. I’ve seen a half-inch gash on the back of his head and as I came into the hospital, at half-past ten in the morning. It’s quite a way– The same one actually, where he died last year, Chinese General. I’ll say what it is, Chinese General Hospital. Have a look online and see the infant deaths and the mortalities that have been in the news. Yes, the police didn’t investigate, but when we insisted, they came out and looked around and said, “No way that somebody could have got in.” We still don’t know but I saw the solution report, and after the investigation by who I thought, was a really nice detective constable, the police report was demonizing us. That as I’ve said to my MP, Tim Farron, who’s the leader of Lead Rems, my MP. There’s an inversion going on, and I merely said satanic “Sorry” to bother you if you– That has been going on. I said inversion because, the whistleblowers, the good-hearted people, are very often targeted, arrested, gagged but the criminals are rewarded, surging the Savile Lord Jen and so on. This is what happened with the police report. I thought, “Well”. My senses were even more sharpened. You see-
Penny: -How that sort of fits into the story? Terry because he had pain from the scar tissue and so on, with the operation that had gone wrong with his gall stones and so on, he took co-codamol and his doctor prescribed for 15 months. Terry didn’t know it’s addictive. I didn’t know. I didn’t know it’s related to heroin. I hadn’t done that research. I thought well, he’s only taking one. I knew multi medications then, were very harmful. I knew they were never tested more than one at a time then, going back to 2010. I thought, as he wasn’t taking anything else, he’d be okay but he wasn’t. It led to very, very slow but after a few months time, brain damage. Loss of skills, driving and nobody knew why and we went to the GP and nothing happened. I was just timing on and suddenly he had a stroke-
Penny: -That’s a piece of cyst in the brain.
Patrik: Right. Prior to stroke — Prior to the stroke with the head injury, what happened with the head injury? What did the CT scan of the brain show? Do you remember? Before he had a stroke?
Penny: It only — No, it didn’t show up any single part from what had happened when he had his breakdown which was minor– Like a T-I-A.
Patrik: Right. Yes.
Penny: All he did, when I saw him when he had his breakdown and I watched it happen, all he wanted was peace quiet and no pain and all he got from Chinese Hospital was masses and masses of psychiatric drugs including Prozac, on top of his painkillers, on top of his an confirmatory he was taking. That caused intracranial hypertension, which nearly finished him off on 2,000. That was another part of the picture.
Patrik: Just so– Just for our listeners to explain T-I-A means, Transient Ischemic Attack and it’s a minor stroke where people usually recover really quickly. I just want to stroll that in for our listeners-
Penny: Yes, sorry go on.
Patrik: -Just that this is what probably happened to your husband but then later, he had a proper stroke. That would happen if you’re blood dropped?
Penny: Co-codamol that was being given to him for 15 months after this– Now, I just said to the listeners– My research then kicked off because I was so interested in what would cause a seizure? You see. After having been diagnosed as having a seizure by this visiting consultant that never even looked to talk to him, there were no tests, nothing. He just came to his bedside and announced that the good news was he could go home today. I was actually there. I was just coming to the hospital to visit. The bad news was, that he thought, in his opinion, “Terry has had a stroke and he fell down stairs.” He said, “Well, you got CCTV, how would you–?” and he said, “You’ll have to contact the DVLA, who might stop you driving.” something was to that effect. Terry, he had multiple issues, because he wasn’t completely mobile but he loved driving. It was his lifeline. That upset him. I went to see this consultant, he was twitching and twitching, his face was– I’m not kidding you, he was a neurologist.
Penny: I’m going back and I said to him, “Why do you think Terry, my husband’s had a seizure?” He reeled off a few of the symptoms. I said, “They are symptoms of a concussion.” I was right. He had no seizure mark cos he had never had one before. Obviously, what happened as the time went on with the trauma to the brain, if you’re not concussion– I cleared the blood up. Patrik, I’ve never seen anything like it. I have never. When I got to the hospital, the medic stapling him, they have staples. He said, “This is a very strange wound, it looks more like a splat than the cut.” If anything was ever found, we still don’t know or I just don’t know now what happened to him but I suspect something from him. We weren’t secure but anyway the police, nothing came of it. After the stroke, Terry– Oh, I was just going to say, sorry. Let’s just go back. My research found out that there’s no test in the UK for damage to the blood brain barrier or toxicity in the brain. The scanner that can be used to detect that is called SPECT scanner S-P-E-C-T, nuclear medicine. They have scanners, two hospitals the one that Terry went to Chinese General and also Lancaster Royal Infirmary have SPECT scanners. I phoned up there of what an injury department in Chinese General. I was there. I talked to the radiologist and he said, “No, no, we don’t. We can only use the scanners for scanning bones.” Although they’ve got the equipment, they’ll do it but they do this in America. I’m not sure probably Germany, your country.
Patrik: Yes they do. They do.
Penny: When Terry was in a psychiatric hospital, I was not afraid nor was Terry, of the ECT, Electric Convulsive Therapy. I-
Patrik: Why did they do that?
Penny: They didn’t do it, he threatened them. He didn’t want it stopped. When I saw what happened to Terry with this toxicity building up in his brain and then he had the stroke. Then after that, with the drugs he was given, he did actually have seizures. After he’s had– Now, I’m watching this, I’m noting. After the seizure, his mind, his brain, was working better. It’s almost as though it shook out the toxins. You know what I’m saying?
Penny: I don’t know if you’ve come across anything as probably not been-
Patrik: I haven’t. I can tell you my experience with seizures. Usually is it does go the other way. That person would– Because they take more medications. If anything, their neurology usually deteriorates but I’m very curious about what your observation was.
Penny: Yes, yes, I saw an improvement. That changed my opinion of ECT because in actual fact patients when they have had those mild convulsions, not strong like you see in the past, some of that footage of years ago and they were—oh my God, they’re absolutely horrendous. The mild little fit, they then feel a lot better afterward and they’ve much improved. Anyway, going back to the
Patrik: And do you remember when he had seizures? Do you remember whether they put him on any anti-convulsive medications like-
Penny: Yes, that’s what I was saying. Yes, they did. Now, quite a bit of what happened actually from when he had the stroke, and he literally after, he gave up. He didn’t want to get better. I’m not a fan of the suicidal. Feelings started coming in and I was beside myself because I’m quite a fighter character. I’ve been a red bull since four years old [laughs]. I didn’t like the society, I was born nor did my mother. I was born in 12/12/44. Girls and women were treated really quite—not very well. The worst thing a boy could say, in his [unintelligible] as you go. I didn’t understand it, so I’ve been quite a rebel. I’ve wanted to find out exactly what’s going on and then learn from it. I was really sen– I have been on the bull with this quite a lot. The seizures actually didn’t come in until Terry’s digestive system was terribly disrupted because of this low self-love, the heart, energy fills the heart, desperate to have this self-love, look at children and animals are teaching us. Also, the brain. Now, you got a brain in your head, the computer brain, a brain in your heart and in your gut. Now I didn’t know that until I saw what was happening with Terry as he gave up. He wouldn’t do his exercises. I was struggling because I’m obviously touchy. I do thoroughly admire what you do and all the carers. I’ve struggled to be a carer, and I will admit that. I did my best but– Gosh, I went through some awfully difficult times. It was so hard. Believe me it’s all past now and have I learned because I could see this brain connection, what was happening with him and the worst– The more he went down, down, down, the worst was diarrhea– In the end, it started– He had the seizure and his ability went and he had to go in the care home. He was suicidal. He was a wreck. That’s when I stepped back from the medication because he was given in the care home, this is. He fought not to have the medication before he went in even though his doctor was insisting. These drugs for the stroke, but I knew that they were crucifying him. This was before the dental work, so his immune system was suppressed before the chemicals kind of– Anyway, having said that, he still was very sensitive. That brings that little point in with the medics, prescribing one-sized fix or which prevents. They give medicine according to weight, practically animal. He was so sensitive. He was inside at the care home but that’s when he was on a small dose of an anti-depressant, only small, not very– Which helped him. He was on a small dose of Keppra-
Patrik: Keppra for seizure? I have to say you mentioned drugs being given according to weight. I have to say that does happen most of the time in ICU or in hospitals. I’m not saying it happens in every single case, but most of the time, Oh, yes it does.
Penny: Really? I-
Patrik: It doesn’t happen all the time, but Keppra for example, I have seen certainly being titrated towards somebody, 50 kilos or 90 kilos.
Patrik: There is usually a confederation of-
Penny: Oh, right. That’s the-
Patrik: There’s always the exception to the rule of course.
Penny: For some rea—I didn’t want– When Terry was in intensive care the year before last, I didn’t ask, actually. I was so in awe by all that was happening and all the monitoring that was on. I’ll just say something about the seizure threshold. When he was misdiagnosed as having the seizure and found out that he didn’t. Then I did the research, What would cause that? What was the lower somebody’s seizure threshold? At the same time, I was looking at this, there was an article in the K-motion Media. A woman had gone into a supermarket, suddenly she found herself on the floor. She pulled over a great big rack of food and poured it all over herself. She’d had a seizure. When she was tested, she had no sea salt in the body. She hadn’t got a salt. Now, it’s interesting. I took that to heart because, in the care home, they think it’s good not to have salt in the body. This came on to be sodium chloride effect as well which has adverse effects as well. It’s a denatured salt. I’ve done a fair amount of research because I could then—I thought that was fascinating. I thought then, yes, what else does sea salt do? I’ve got my books [laughs]. I’ve just had another one delivered from Amazon called The History of Salt, The Salt Root. It’s imperative for health. I used to take my pink Himalayan salt in for when Terry was having a meal and put some on. Everybody looked at me–[laughs]. They thought it was a bit weird, which I know I am. I would fix him the right way. I wasn’t there for all his meals. That’s the thing. They didn’t use salt in the cooking. He brightened up. We go back to, now, he had the dental stuff, he was cleaned out, he could actually cope with the low doses of the medication, he was given. I could take him VitaminB3, liquid sunshine as well, but they wouldn’t give it to him, I was only allowed to give any natural supplements to him in his room. That’s interesting, isn’t it? I don’t know if that applies to other care homes, in other countries?
Patrik: I’m not the expert on care homes. I wouldn’t know what happens in care homes, really.
Penny: They will have the doctor, and they will have the multi-medications which have never been tested as we know, not together. We know the Poly Pharmacy, it’s very dodgy. It needs looking out, carefully. Anyway, I brightened up and I was pleased and quite upset when he had the gerbil seizure, a year last, in 2015. It was in Phoenix General. Honestly, he was treated well. This is why it gave me a full sense of security to what happened to him last year when he died. This is where it sort of starts to lay down the foundation of, first of all, me stepping back and saying, “Right. If Terry wants to take the drugs, fine.” At that time when he went in the care home, he was suicidal. He coped well with them, and they did seem to help him, the doses he was at. Then he ended up in intensive care and I went in– The gerbil seizure. I was just dumb smacked with how well he was treated. The only thing is with the antibiotic which made his heart race.
Patrik: Right. That’s a good point now that you mentioned– We’re now at the point where he’s going into intensive care. That’s leaving us, leaving our listeners, with a bit of a cliff-hanger because we’re now coming to the end of episode one.
Penny: Really? That has gone quickly. [laughs].
Patrik: We’re coming to the end of episode one of this interview. Next time, when we do episode two of this interview, you will talk all about what happened in intensive care, what you’ve come across, how the staff treated you and your husband. That’s what we do– Yes.
Patrik: That’s what we’re doing now, second episode. That was really just the pre-story how your husband got to this point to get into intensive care. Thank you very much for sharing that.
Penny: It’s my pleasure.
Patrik: It’s been great to have you on. It’s really a holistic interview because we want to look at the bigger picture. Something that’s often missing with my clients, not with all of them, but most of them, not looking at the bigger picture where-
Penny: We’ve not been taught, have we?
Patrik: No, we haven’t been taught. We’ve just been looked at the diagnosis, at the symptoms, without looking at, who is this person? What’s their history?
Penny: Why are these symptoms occurring? The body is so super intelligent and each cell in the body communicate to each other. It’s amazing, self-healing, self-generating.
Patrik: Exactly, exactly.
Penny: The symptoms, which the doctors are trained to treat with a drug, and I understand that. This is where we will need to remedy, which I’m hoping will happen after the ombudsman section, which I’m just about to embark upon and that will hopefully be included in the next interview.
Patrik: That’s fantastic. Thank you, so much, Penny, for coming into the first episode. The next episode will probably come out next week. Keep your eye out on that. Thank you, listener, for coming onto this interview. Check out our your questions answered section, where we answer your questions, and also check out our E-books. You can also get one-on-one counselling and consulting with me, over the phone, via Skype or via e-mail. You can check that out on the section 101, counselling and consulting. Thanks again Penny for coming onto the first part of this interview and we’ll talk next week. Thank you so much.
Penny: Thank you, Patrik. My pleasure.
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